From a conversation I had with a relative

–   Yes yes some of the things Hizbullah figures say I understand and can relate to, but other claims just give me the creeps.

–   Like what exactly?

–   Well for example their claim of a ‘divine victory’

–   So? What’s creepy about it?

–   The fact that they want to insert God in everything they do.

–   Maybe because they prayed God that he would give them the strength to fight and vanquish, and once it had happened they attributed this victory to the fulfilment of their prayers.

–   Oh but that’s exactly what’s wrong here. They should be fighting for patriotic reasons. The moving idea should be ‘patriotism’ and not God.

–   But if they are asking God to help them, it is for ‘patriotic reasons’ as they want to defend their land or repel occupation. Besides what’s nobler as an idea patriotism or God?

–  Yeah but that’s not how one should pray. I don’t mix patriotism and God.

–  Don’t you pray at night for your friends and people you love to have a promising future, to stay healthy? To wake up and still be on the same roof? Aren’t they doing the same thing adding to that they are asking God to give them the strength to fight?

–  Yes but I don’t ask God to give me strength, God cannot change things for me, I change them. I only pray when I can’t do anything about things, like when someone has cancer or something.

–  I don’t really understand here. Are you saying that there are certain things one can ask God but not other things? Strength and will, discipline, and perseverance are not things one ask God to give. But magical tricks are such as curing this or that person or creating affluence while staying idle. In reality everything is asked by God according to all religious traditions, you are just restricting your prayers to a very specific set of requests, those that fall in the category of “it is now in God’s hand” no?

–  I don’t know…  we just pray differently…

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6 Responses to From a conversation I had with a relative

  1. Sainte Sandrine-Rita (véridique) says:

    Enno Bechir, your relative aw hesbollah… Ycheddo haloune wou hach ysallo, there are more important things to do in life, I think. Machouna ba’a.
    Ba3dene I never thought you to be a believer…

    *sight*

  2. La Rose et le Réséda (Louis Aragon)

    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Tous deux adoraient la belle
    Prisonnière des soldats
    Lequel montait à l’échelle
    Et lequel guettait en bas
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Qu’importe comment s’appelle
    Cette clarté sur leur pas
    Que l’un fut de la chapelle
    Et l’autre s’y dérobât
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Tous les deux étaient fidèles
    Des lèvres du coeur des bras
    Et tous les deux disaient qu’elle
    Vive et qui vivra verra
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Quand les blés sont sous la grêle
    Fou qui fait le délicat
    Fou qui songe à ses querelles
    Au coeur du commun combat
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Du haut de la citadelle
    La sentinelle tira
    Par deux fois et l’un chancelle
    L’autre tombe qui mourra
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Ils sont en prison Lequel
    A le plus triste grabat
    Lequel plus que l’autre gèle
    Lequel préfère les rats
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Un rebelle est un rebelle
    Deux sanglots font un seul glas
    Et quand vient l’aube cruelle
    Passent de vie à trépas
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Répétant le nom de celle
    Qu’aucun des deux ne trompa
    Et leur sang rouge ruisselle
    Même couleur même éclat
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    Il coule il coule il se mêle
    À la terre qu’il aima
    Pour qu’à la saison nouvelle
    Mûrisse un raisin muscat
    Celui qui croyait au ciel
    Celui qui n’y croyait pas
    L’un court et l’autre a des ailes
    De Bretagne ou du Jura
    Et framboise ou mirabelle
    Le grillon rechantera
    Dites flûte ou violoncelle
    Le double amour qui brûla
    L’alouette et l’hirondelle
    La rose et le réséda

  3. Ibn ibn muqawama says:

    Long story short, I think that you have mixed feeling about
    the Divinity thing. Actually the Hizbollahiyyun pray a bit to much, all the time for good and for bad. I don’t know if they do really believe that God has interfered in that victory or not, however it would have been strange if they had ignored the almighty at that moment “I think”.
    Is their a divine defeat for hizbollah? no because no one want to give his defeat more dimensions, capture it from that corner.

  4. bech says:

    Ibn ibn these are not my “feelings” about divinity, my point was to figure out one (among so many) logic for praying and see if my relative would still want to differentiate himself when it comes to same types of social practices.

    Although a divine defeat is yes unlikely but that’s probably besides the point as you don’t pray and work your away, persevere etc, in order to loose.

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