Ahmadinajad’s new friends

He wanted to slay them all so he came up with a plan: to get them all on one table and get rid of them in one go. Unfortunately not enough of them came about so he decided to make peace for a change.
More seriously, Ahmedinajad proves that he is at least not as extreme towards jews as the usual propagandist international press would like to make us believe. Of course these rabbis are opposed to the state of Israel but if you make a headline saying “Ahmedinajad supports a new holocaust” you should also make one saying “Ahmedinajad meets some jews that he would not include in his upcoming holocaust”.
Sorry I’m not being able to be totally serious about this. The disinformation policies of major international press organs is getting to my head lately.


11 Replies to “Ahmadinajad’s new friends”

  1. FYI, Neturei Karta represents a doctrine that was once very common among Orthodox Jews, but gradually lost steam with the creation of Israel and pretty much dissappeared after 1967. Nowadays, Orthodox Jews, even the ostensibly non-Zionist ones, tend to be extremely hawkish and often affilated with the “Greater Israel” movement.

    Personally, as a non-Zionist (secular) Jew, I have no problem with Neturei Karta (although I am uncomfortable with them embracing a Holocaust denier). However, it shouldn’t be imagined that they represent anything more than a marginal element of Judaism.

    Also, I’m not defending the hysteria towads Ahmadinajad, but there is a propaganda element to meeting a few marginal members of a group to rebut charges of bigotry against that group as a whole. Think of the way Islamophobes embrace Irshad Manji or Fouad Ajami.

  2. Good points, Peter.

    No one here doubts for a second that Ahmadinajad, like all of his counterparts, is not a full-time propagandist, but I do not believe you will find an accurate translation of him denying the Holocaust. If you do, let us know.

  3. Hello Peter and thank you for your post.
    No doubt that all these issues are tricky, the only purpose of this post is to point out what you very well call “the hysteria towards Ahmedinajad”.

  4. you’re right Peter.
    I remember one day in a small classroom (French program) in a Beirut high school in 1997.
    Some girls were talking trash about Muslims, and one of them whispered: “Shhhhh, L. can hear you!”; and a very intelligent one whom I’ll name Christina K. because that’s her real name said “oooh, but L. is DIFFERENT”.

  5. Apokraphyte,

    Ahmadinajad may not have outright denied the Holocaust, but he’s definitely raised questions about its occurence. I’ll stay away from the translations of his speeches in Farsi, because they tend to laden with controversy (e.g. Juan Cole and the meaning of “wiped off the map”), but there is this interview with the German newspaper Der Spiegel:

    Ahmadinejad: Well, then we have stirred up a very concrete discussion. We are posing two very clear questions. The first is: Did the Holocaust actually take place? You answer this question in the affirmative. So, the second question is: Whose fault was it?….

    On the other hand, if the Holocaust didn’t take place, why then did this regime of occupation …

    Most of the rest of the first part of the interview continues in that vein (“It would therefore be very good if an international and impartial group looked into the matter in order to clarify it once and for all.”)

  6. Hey Peter,

    Is it forbidden to raise questions about the Holocaust?
    Technically it seems that yes.

    On another note in the Der Spiegel interview Ahmedinajad’s conclusion goes in the following direction: if the Germans are responsible for the holocaust, then why is it that the Palestinians are the ones paying the price?
    Although I do not necessarily agree with his dialectics, I have to agree they are not as black and white as some people would like to see them, and certainly not as black & white as the right wing israeli dialectics about their absolute right to “defend themselves” or even worse: Avigdor Lieberman.

  7. so? what if ahmadi najad raised questions about the holocaust?

    we’ll all raise questions about the holocaust.

    i will raise questions abouut god and his prophets, Newton and his laws, Darwin and his theories, Peter and the 40 thieves…

    we’ll raise questions about everything ya peter ya 3youni.

    I’ll Ask you something…

    Did the Holocaust take place???


    Does the Holocaust justify the State of Israel in the sense that it exists where it denied other land owners of their land and history and their memories and culture, and went further to kill hundrends of thousands if not milons of Arabs and Palestinians?

    Which is a Holocaust? and why the Capital H?

    i would say that the only holocaust that deserves to be written with a Capital H is the one committed by the state of israel against Palestinians and Arabs.

    P.S. many holocausts took place in this world. I do not accept the little one committed by hitler to overshadow more important and grave ones.

    fa izan… za77it ya tizna!

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