- Yes yes some of the things Hizbullah figures say I understand and can relate to, but other claims just give me the creeps.
- Like what exactly?
- Well for example their claim of a ‘divine victory’
- So? What’s creepy about it?
- The fact that they want to insert God in everything they do.
- Maybe because they prayed God that he would give them the strength to fight and vanquish, and once it had happened they attributed this victory to the fulfilment of their prayers.
- Oh but that’s exactly what’s wrong here. They should be fighting for patriotic reasons. The moving idea should be ‘patriotism’ and not God.
- But if they are asking God to help them, it is for ‘patriotic reasons’ as they want to defend their land or repel occupation. Besides what’s nobler as an idea patriotism or God?
- Yeah but that’s not how one should pray. I don’t mix patriotism and God.
- Don’t you pray at night for your friends and people you love to have a promising future, to stay healthy? To wake up and still be on the same roof? Aren’t they doing the same thing adding to that they are asking God to give them the strength to fight?
- Yes but I don’t ask God to give me strength, God cannot change things for me, I change them. I only pray when I can’t do anything about things, like when someone has cancer or something.
- I don’t really understand here. Are you saying that there are certain things one can ask God but not other things? Strength and will, discipline, and perseverance are not things one ask God to give. But magical tricks are such as curing this or that person or creating affluence while staying idle. In reality everything is asked by God according to all religious traditions, you are just restricting your prayers to a very specific set of requests, those that fall in the category of “it is now in God’s hand” no?
- I don’t know… we just pray differently…
Enno Bechir, your relative aw hesbollah… Ycheddo haloune wou hach ysallo, there are more important things to do in life, I think. Machouna ba’a.
Ba3dene I never thought you to be a believer…
*sight*
La Rose et le Réséda (Louis Aragon)
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Tous deux adoraient la belle
Prisonnière des soldats
Lequel montait à l’échelle
Et lequel guettait en bas
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Qu’importe comment s’appelle
Cette clarté sur leur pas
Que l’un fut de la chapelle
Et l’autre s’y dérobât
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Tous les deux étaient fidèles
Des lèvres du coeur des bras
Et tous les deux disaient qu’elle
Vive et qui vivra verra
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Quand les blés sont sous la grêle
Fou qui fait le délicat
Fou qui songe à ses querelles
Au coeur du commun combat
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Du haut de la citadelle
La sentinelle tira
Par deux fois et l’un chancelle
L’autre tombe qui mourra
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Ils sont en prison Lequel
A le plus triste grabat
Lequel plus que l’autre gèle
Lequel préfère les rats
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Un rebelle est un rebelle
Deux sanglots font un seul glas
Et quand vient l’aube cruelle
Passent de vie à trépas
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Répétant le nom de celle
Qu’aucun des deux ne trompa
Et leur sang rouge ruisselle
Même couleur même éclat
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
Il coule il coule il se mêle
À la terre qu’il aima
Pour qu’à la saison nouvelle
Mûrisse un raisin muscat
Celui qui croyait au ciel
Celui qui n’y croyait pas
L’un court et l’autre a des ailes
De Bretagne ou du Jura
Et framboise ou mirabelle
Le grillon rechantera
Dites flûte ou violoncelle
Le double amour qui brûla
L’alouette et l’hirondelle
La rose et le réséda
joli poeme!
Long story short, I think that you have mixed feeling about
the Divinity thing. Actually the Hizbollahiyyun pray a bit to much, all the time for good and for bad. I don’t know if they do really believe that God has interfered in that victory or not, however it would have been strange if they had ignored the almighty at that moment “I think”.
Is their a divine defeat for hizbollah? no because no one want to give his defeat more dimensions, capture it from that corner.
Ibn ibn these are not my “feelings” about divinity, my point was to figure out one (among so many) logic for praying and see if my relative would still want to differentiate himself when it comes to same types of social practices.
Although a divine defeat is yes unlikely but that’s probably besides the point as you don’t pray and work your away, persevere etc, in order to loose.
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